There actually is something called the nocebo effect, which is the opposite of the placebo effect.

The placebo effect is like you take some inert substance and you feel better, even though there's nothing active in the substance,

just because you're taking it and you think it's going to make you feel better, and so it does.

The nocebo effect is there's no harmful substance or quality to a particular substance,

but when you ingest it, you feel worse because you expect to feel worse, and so you do.

Music Hi, welcome to Let It Out with me, your host, Katie Delvout.

This week back on the podcast, my dear friend and someone who mentors me and constantly

inspires me through their work and their wisdom and their advice.

Christy Harrison, she's back on the podcast again.

We've lost count of how many times.

Christy, if you're not familiar with her work, she's an anti-diet registered dietitian,

certified intuitive eating counselor, and she hosts the podcast Food

Psych, and she is the author of the book's anti-diet and the forthcoming book Rethinking Wellness,

which will be out soon. She's someone who helps people make peace with food and reclaim the

time and energy that they lost to diet culture. We get into

that here a bit and we talk about intuitive eating and health at every size. She is currently

pregnant. She's also cooking up a baby. So we talk about her complicated IVF experience. She's

really vulnerable. She talks about

productivity and seasons of overwhelms. She's in a season where it's really full. And we get into

how she's managing that through meditation. Meditation is a tool for sitting with discomfort,

rooting in pain, compassion.

And it was such a rich conversation that we're splitting it into two parts.

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