I'm Eric Marcus and this is making gay history. In this our fourth season we've been looking at the beginnings of the

LGBT-cival rights movement in the US but the thing about beginnings is the person's fiction. That's especially the case with oral histories like the

interviews I recorded three decades ago. Our ability to recall the past is

surprisingly fallible and easily derailed by ego and emotion.

We remember things as we think they happened and often as we'd like for them to be remembered.

We choose to remember some things and not others and our individual impressions of the same event rarely match those of other witnesses to history.

But what oral histories can do is they can take us inside how a person felt about a moment in history and how they perceive their place in that moment, and that matters.

In this episode, we're going to hear different viewpoints from co-founders of a key early organization in the fight for LGBT

rights in the US, one magazine, or one incorporated, or just one, depending

upon who I asked and I asked a lot of people about one and got very different answers.

One Incorporated came into existence when...

October 15, 1952, in my home.

There is a problem with some of the very inventive people

that they come to the point where they feel they have to have invented everything.

Dor wasn't even at any of the first seven or eight meetings.

I don't think he was around for the first year.

Dor never quits.

He seizes control of any organization he works in, and keeps it at his level.

And Dor has done so much, which cannot be denied, really tremendous, so tremendously much, that he doesn't need the credit for that.

100% wrong, all of them.

That last voice you heard was the inimitable door leg.

He's the one who claimed one magazine started in his home.

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