Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and we are batting a thousand to bring any

another trio of great guests we're going to talk did he in just a second but first off on a pretty somber note today is Dan Markel's what should have been his 52nd birthday

I heard from Bill and Ruth you know both struggling a little bit is it is a difficult day

the family did put out a statement and I put it up on Twitter at podcast STDS and put it up on on full statement and it's definitely worth a read.

But thank you all for being here today.

Things are getting a little wild.

We got three guests who all happened to be in Florida.

Steve Cohen, I was about to call you out.

I usually text you to tell you best guests are late, but it was you that was late, so I didn't know who to text.

But you were just about 30 seconds late.

And Steve Cohen, if you can tilt that

computer down there you go we want to see everyone wants to see that handsome face I can't hear you though

I'm gonna have to unmute yourself. Steve, how's the weather there?

Um, wait.

Now he's muted.

This is good.

Tim Janson, was this a, was this a dangerous idea to invite Steve

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