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Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

Seamus McElearney: Flipping Capo

Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

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True Crime

4.8 • 7.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2026

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

FBI agent Seamus McElearney had dreamed of investigating the mafia in New York when he first joined the bureau. But of course, no one would flip on the families. No one had ever flipped on the families. Until McElearney did some research, offered a made-man some orange juice…and made history. He tells me about his book: Flipping Capo: How the FBI Dismantled the Real Sopranos. 

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0:00.0

This is exactly right.

0:07.0

People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared.

0:15.0

John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer.

0:20.0

But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear.

0:29.0

From exactly right and Adonde Media, this is Two-Faced, John of God.

0:34.6

Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:41.5

This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised.

0:59.0

There was like four or five people that he wanted to kill because he didn't know who the rat was.

1:03.5

All that they knew is someone around them had been talking to the feds for two years.

1:05.4

They didn't know who it actually was. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

1:17.8

I'm also the co-hosts of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

1:22.0

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world. On Wicked Words,

1:29.7

I sit down with the people I've met along the way, amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers,

1:35.3

and podcasters who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases. This is about the

1:41.6

choices writers make, both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into

1:46.3

the unpublished details behind their stories. FBI agent Seamus McAleurney had dreamed of

1:54.3

investigating the mafia in New York when he first joined the Bureau. But of course, no one would

1:59.7

flip on the families. No one had ever

2:02.2

flipped on the families until McAlearnie did some research, and he offered a made man some

2:08.3

orange juice, and then he made history. He tells me about his book, Flipping Capo, how the FBI

2:15.2

dismantled the real Sopranos.

2:20.0

I will confess, I don't know a lot about the mafia. I've seen parts of the Sopranos, but I am

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