Hi, I'm Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker.

And I'm Sarah Hart Unger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, and course creator.

We are two working parents who love our careers and our families.

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From figuring out child care

to mapping out long-term career goals,

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Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of I Heart Radio.

Good morning.

This is Laura.

Welcome to the Before Breakfast Podcast.

Today's tip is to scroll better.

There are some points in all of our lives when we are going to be spending

mindless time on our phones.

Figuring out how to upgrade that time just a little can make life feel more satisfying.

So I know there is a lot of literature out there on how to break up with our phones or kick the phone habit.

I know this literature contains a lot of good ideas.

We all should spend less time scrolling.

But the truth is that there are some points in our ordinary daily existences

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