Hey folks, Joyce Vance here.

Creed is out this week, so on today's episode of Insider, I'm joined by two very special guests.

Barb McQuaid, my friend and the former U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan,

and another friend, Ben Wittes, the editor-in-chief of Lawfare.

First, we break down President Trump's eyebrow raising claim that he could legally

serve a third term. Is there any basis for that? Then we discuss the Supreme Court's decisions

in the cases challenging the Trump administration's deportation of alleged Venezuelan gang members

to El Salvador. If you're a member of Cafe Insider, head to the insider feed or click the link in the show notes of this podcast to hear the full analysis.

Stay tuned, listeners. Stick around for an excerpt from our conversation. To hear the full discussion,

become a member by heading to cafe.com slash insider. And now, on to the show.

Music to cafe.com slash insider. And now, onto the show. Moving on to the kind of issues that are in front of us right now that demand our attention

in this moment. In my view, what's really predominating are the two El Salvador deportation cases. You know, we've got the two

separate situations. The first involves Trump's secret invocation of the Alien Enemies Act,

and then the two plane loads of people that were flown to El Salvador the following day with no due

process, people who were deportable, which I don't think is the same thing as meaning they can

be flown to a third country and incarcerated with no rights for as long as that country decides

to hold on to them. But that's where we are. That's the first of the two cases, the Alien

Enemies Act case. And five of those men sued. At the district court level, Judge James

Bosberg was in the process of determining whether the government was in contempt of his temporary restraining order, which ordered the government to freeze the status quo in place and stop any deportations that were in progress, not engage in further ones. He was preparing for a preliminary injunction hearing today Tuesday.

And then last night, the Supreme Court stepped in. Barb, why don't you explain to me what they did?

So the Supreme Court ruled a very limited ruling. It vacated the temporary restraining order.

What they said was that essentially you used the

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