From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to stay tuned.

I'm Preet Bharara.

Can I give a rule as to when, empathy, or values, or purposes, consequences?

When they carry the day, no, I can't give a rule, because each case is really different from the others.

That's Justice Stephen Breyer. Appointed by Bill Clinton in 1994, he served nearly three

decades as an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court before retiring in 2022.

On and off the bench, Breyer has advocated for a more flexible way to read the Constitution and

federal laws, seeing the law as a living tool meant to serve people, not a mechanical process.

He lays out that philosophy in his book, reading the Constitution, Why I chose pragmatism,

not textualism. Justice Breyer joined me last week before a live audience at the Cooper Union's

Great Hall. In our conversation, we discussed judicial integrity and political pressure,

how the court deliberates and decides cases, and the proper response to demands to impeach judges

over their rulings.

That's coming up.

Stay tuned.

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