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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelors, Supreme Court or arguments to be decided soon

enough. The case 303 creative versus Hellenous. This is an oral argument about a case in the

future, but Professor Richard Epstein of the Hoover Institution, a senior fellow, teaches

law at NYU and the University of Chicago. Guides me to understand that this case is necessary

because the lack of clarity of a previous similar case, Masterpiece Kakeshop versus Colorado

Civil Rights Commission 2018, leaves there unanswered questions about freedom of speech and

discrimination. Professor, a very good evening to you. Masterpiece Kakeshop, we begin there,

Professor Kennedy writes, what you characterize as a wishy-washy opinion. Does that become

the basis for this new case to be decided is the lack of clarity in that case, the reason

the court took 303 creative. Good evening to you.

Well, it's certainly one reason, but essentially what had happened in Masterpiece Kakes, as you

have this guy, Jack Phillips, and he essentially was a Christian and he told all of his customers

that he would not make any cakes, which essentially offended scripture. He was an artist, he

was a religious person, and he was a believer in freedom of expression. It turned out

that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission, which was extremely aggressive, started to take

after him and with such choice comments, and as well, you know that it was people like

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