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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Bachelo. It's great fun to spend time with two

classicists who have translated the Aeneid because I'm aware of the fact that we're telling a

wopper of a tale in pieces. You know, it's like this is the thriller highlights that we put up on the screen for you to watch the whole movie.

So we come now to the history of this incredible whopper.

Scott, it came to me as I was reading over not necessarily looking for it, that they kept

coming back and back justification for the civil war conduct of the Romans and that they were

destined.

That word is overused here.

It was written in stone and the gods agreed that Rome would be founded by these violent events

and that everything in the future would be predicted at the time of the founding of the city,

including the battle of the success that Octavian had, becoming the emperor.

So at some point it occurred to me, I said, this is Roman exceptionalism.

That's how this document could be used. Was it used that way, Scott? I think it's, as you say,

it certainly could be, and I do believe it was, and I believe it's been, I mean, it's been read like

that until today, right, as a document justifying Rome.

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