Welcome to Entrepreneurs of Playbook. This is David Meltzer, live from the greatest stadium ever created.

That's a billion dollar screen behind me. If you can believe it, anything can be manifested,

including that screen. I'm here with Scott Jeffrey Miller. He's the author of an incredible book,

multiple books, by the way. The ultimate guide to great mentorship, 13 roles to making a true

impact. Welcome to the Playbook Scott. Man, thank you for the platform and this gigantic spotlight.

I appreciate it. I know. I'll see your face up there. Maybe we can work that on the sides.

My wife would say that would be on, on, on, on, on, it'll, it'll advise. It'll advise. Yeah, exactly.

Unlikely and it'll advise. Well, it's not, we can make it likely, but yes, maybe it'll advise.

Anyway, you know, you're an impactful leader. And there's so many different perspectives into

leadership. I'm blessed to have my college football coach here. And he's one of my favorite leaders

in the world. Ironically, one of my other favorite leaders in the world went to Occidental as well,

which is President Obama. So leadership has played an important part since I've been really young.

And it's because of the impact that the leader has had on me. And you talk about these 13 roles

of true impact. I was hoping that we could look at the impactful side of leadership. But before

we do, I'd love you to define, I'm always wondering someone like you has worked with Franklin

Covey and the leadership business for so long, writing so many books about leadership.

How do you define leadership? I think leadership is igniting the spark in someone that they have

dimmed. It might be identifying naming the super genius that they don't know they have. It's really

believing in someone more perhaps than they believed in themselves. Dr. Covey would say that.

I also don't think that everyone should be a formal leader of people.

A formal leader? Right. Everyone, of course, can lead. Culture, strategy,

yourself. But I think it's dangerous in a lot of organizations that oftentimes it's the

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