Hey, this is Leo, for actualized.org.

And in this episode, I'm going to be talking about science versus religion.

And what I see as the sheer absurdity of the modern science versus religion debate. It's shocking to me how ignorant modern rational thinkers are about what spirituality actually is and how it works. And so here I'm going to be talking a lot about some of the fallacies that

rational thinkers, very intelligent, scientifically-minded people make when it comes to this topic.

In fact, my brother sent me this book recently,

which he wanted me to read.

It's called a universe from nothing and it's a science

slash physics slash cosmology book written by a theoretical physicist pretty

popular guy called Lawrence Kraus.

And it was interesting, I was reading this book,

and you know this book talks about basically how can you have a universe

in the first place, where does it come from?

What if it came from nothing literally

nothing and he talks about some of the you know modern theoretical physics and

relativity theory and quantum mechanics how all these theories different

different theories connect together

and how they could explain that the universe

could in theory materialize out of nothingness.

And so it's kind of cool.

But what's interesting, what I found really baffling

about his arguments here is that the way he's arguing it in the book is like he's kind of presenting

the scientific paradigm of like rational thinking. is like,

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