Yeah, but it's not a new thing. No, it's not a new thing. I used to go to a church in LA called

Los Angeles Church of Christ, and their pastor eventually came out, and there was a massive scandal

with that as well, but he came out and he said, look, because their thing was, it wasn't about

women with him. It was more, the only way to go to heaven is through our church,

no other church, because we're the right way and all this other stuff. But you can go back

and hear stories with, you know, Jimmy Swagger, that was the original one. You hear the Jim

Baker story, the Ted Haggard, which was the story with a male escort and a lot of them,

even some of them right now that you look at the one locally was Bob McCoy and recently was,

I think is it John Morris? He wrote a very good book. Is that his name from Dallas?

Yes, from Dallas. Not John Moore. No, it's not, it's a different Morris.

Richard Morris, Robert?

Robert Morris.

Is what it is.

Yes, Robert Morris.

Robert Morris.

But yeah.

And he came out and things that came back and he accepted it. Which was a great church. I have friends who went to that church. Oh, they love the church. They love the church. And then to have that happen. It's like you got to, you know, you have to tell people, yeah, it's a tragedy.

And yet it should not destroy you. And then to have that happen, it's like you got to, you know, you have to tell people,

yeah, it's a tragedy. And yet it should not destroy your faith.

So, so I, for me, you know, I go back and I see, okay, so I'm going to Bible study with this guy,

Mono, and he tells me, says, hey, your relationship is a vertical relationship,

not a horizontal relationship. So in your book, the case for church, you talk about one of the

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