Welcome to the conversation that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris. We're going to talk about

some Southern Baptist Convention news, kind of a news round-up day. For those in the audience,

there's many of you who are Southern Baptists or were, as the case may be. I know there's many who want me to talk about

probably more general things. You're not a Southern Baptist and so I will open just by saying

I did not watch the State of the Union address. I didn't. I don't really

plan to. I was thinking about it. I saw some clips online. It sounds like from what I've heard

Biden was trying to strike a unifying message, unifying note by appealing to some general vague

abstractions that are supposed to unite Americans.

Democracy, the United States is an idea, hit in the mess.

That's what it looked like to me from what I read.

And I'm going off of secondhand here.

Now I did watch most of Sarah Huckabie Sanders response because it was much shorter and

there are some lines in it I thought were really good. It might be one of the better

responses I've ever heard.

Well, I shouldn't say responses, but, you know, speeches I've ever heard that are given after the State of the Union from the Republicans when there's a Democrat president and she had some

lines one was it's not right versus left it's normal versus crazy and I know many of

you feel that way and I thought that was a great line and it resonates I think with a lot of Americans and I

think the reason for it though is missed a little bit the reason for it is because

we are coming out of a Christian context. We once valued biblical principles, we wanted to conform our lives

to the created order, we knew that boys were boys, girls were girls, and now we're shedding all of that and it's just not normal, right?

And so it's good versus evil, really, is what it is.

It's not crazy versus normal, so much as it is good versus evil and she probably

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