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Without our members, there is no podcast, not to mention that I'm out of a job. Thank you so much for listening and supporting us. We couldn't do it without you. Oh, Hi this is the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

Today, we, since we were off for a week,

since Kate was under the weather last week

and we'll get a, I was gonna say

we're gonna get an update on that.

I'm not gonna put Kate on this one. Of course, enough, but just to remind you that that's why we missed an episode. It's funny, we were, but before we were started talking, I record the podcast at home, and when I was walking back to do it I kind of suddenly I felt a little under the

weather I'm like oh my god are we gonna miss two episodes in a row but we're not I think I just

Had some particularly bitter Starbucks coffee or something

unseemly like that. In any case, because we missed last week, we still have to talk about

the verdict. Although I guess the verdict came out Thursday,

so it would have been, we wouldn't have had it yet,

but we weren't even in that waiting period yet

before the verdict.

I'm gonna talk about that. We're also going to devote a little time to a big

shakeup at the Washington Post that is part of an ongoing story at the post

sort of post Trump, you know, membership decline that a lot of

publications have dealt with and that the Times, unlike almost everybody else, has managed

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