Welcome to Our Hen House.

This is Jasmine Singer, and this is Marianne Sullivan.

And on this week's show, Jeff Sebo will be joining Marianne once again.

Jeff, who teaches at NYU and runs their master's program in animal studies,

has just written a new book, and it's about everything that is most important right now.

It's called Saving Animals, Saving Ourselves, Why Animals Matter for Pandemics, Climate Change, and Other Cat other catastrophes. Wow, he just covers it all.

Yeah, no, and he got it out. I asked him how he could possibly have gotten this out so fast,

and he said he was actually writing about it long before this all happened. So, yeah, he's a prescient guy.

You know, I actually had originally contacted Jeff because I wanted to talk about something else.

And then I found out that his book, which I knew was in process, was actually coming out.

So, of course, we wanted to talk about that.

But the other thing I wanted to talk to him about is this report.

And he was one of the authors, and it was issued by NYU's

Guarini Center. It's called Towards Plant Forward D diets, a toolkit for local policymakers.

And it's really cool. It's like this is, you know, part of the whole idea that the place we have to

make change is in local government, that state

government and certainly federal government is just like not doing anything, but you can make change

at local government.

And they, so they put together a toolkit.

It's really, really good.

Yeah, that sounds incredible.

I really like hearing about that as well.

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