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while there's nothing you can't last on Savage Lovecast. Remember H.B.2 in North Carolina, it's been getting a ton of press all over the

national conversation for weeks, for months now. It's been all Trump and all,

where do trans people get to pee in North Carolina? And to that point, I hope you all caught,

and if you didn't catch, you're about to catch, Chris Matthews interview on Friday night,

last Friday night, with Travis Weber. He is an anti-LGB spokesbigot for the

Family Research Council, and he was invited on Hardball on MSNBC with Chris Matthews and with

Jennifer Boylan, who is a prof at Yale and a writer and contributes op-ed pieces to the New York

Times and also a cast member of I Am Kate on E and a

trans woman herself. And there was this amazing exchange that went on and on and on with Chris Matthews

asking this question repeatedly of Travis Weber from FRC.

Travis, tell Jenny what bathroom she should use. Well, you know, I'm not... What's wrong with she should she use? Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. Well, just answer that question. I think people... She said she would not be a comfortable or not cause its problem if she walked into a men's room. Should she walk into a men's room? I think we can do things the way we've done them for decades and people could use bathrooms

according to biological sex. All right, I'm going to break in here for just a second. What we've

actually done for decades, what we've done forever before state legislators like those in North

Carolina began to attempt to regulate this is allow trans people to use

the bathroom of their choice. The law this twerp from FRC is on TV defending ends what we've been

doing for decades, what we've been doing forever, and makes it a crime for trans people to use the

appropriate bathroom. All right, let's jump back into this interview. What should a transgender person who identifies as a woman do? What bathroom should they go to?

Just keep it simple. Yeah, well, there's an issue with privacy. Privacy. What should they do?

All right, jumping in really quickly, he still won't answer the question. What should they do? He

ducks it. He dodges. What should Jenny do if she was living or visiting North Carolina right now? Should she go to the men's room? Well, it's... I mean, you're dodging the toughest question here, which is, what do you want people to behave like? It's not a matter of what I want. Spoiler. Still won't answer the question. Should Jenny go to the men's room or the ladies' room? Well, she can use an accommodation bathroom that's a single-use bathroom that would protect

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