I started noticing that some of the more effective movements were ones that weren't really

asking the government to change this or that.

They were like, we're taking over this place because the government or a corporation

is going to treat it very, very badly if we don't or is treating it badly.

And we are going to try and govern it ourselves for as long

as we can and for as big of a spatial extent as we can. And essentially, we're going to try to

replace the state. And I started seeing just how effective those techniques were. And that's what

kind of led me to write this book is I think they're techniques that really could be brought into more activism in North America.

Hey, you're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamea Shane.

This conversation, if I may say so, is a must listen for these times.

I'm speaking today with Sasha Davis, the author of Islands and Oceans, reimagining sovereignty

and social change, and the empire's edge, militarization, resistance, and transcending hegemony in the Pacific.

Sasha's new book, which we'll be focusing on, is titled Replace the State, How to Change the

World When Elections and Protests Fail. Pretty self-explanatory and so pertinent for these times.

There's really so much in this discussion,

so I encourage you to set aside a full hour if you can for this juicy, nutrient-dense listen.

And also to invite us to come into presents so we can open up the pores of our soils to be

able to really soak in this conversation.

I want to welcome us to take a few deep, grounding breaths, if you're able to in this moment,

to soften and let go of anything you'd like to release for the time being.

If you'd like more time to honor the needs of your body in this moment, you can pause this

audio. And otherwise, thank you for showing up here. Thank you for supporting our podcast. And I hope

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