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SARAJEVO: SMALL WARS AND A BIG WAR. GREGORY COPLEY, DEFENSE & FOREIGN AFFAIRS GREGORY COPLEY, DEFENSE & FOREIGN AFFAIRS

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🗓️ 24 June 2025

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SARAJEVO: SMALL WARS AND A BIG WAR. GREGORY COPLEY, DEFENSE & FOREIGN AFFAIRS GREGORY COPLEY, DEFENSE & FOREIGN AFFAIRS
1914 HINDENBURG

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0:00.0

This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Vatsworth, my colleague and friend and mentor Gregory Copley, editor and publisher of

0:11.2

Defense and Foreign Affairs, the author most recently of Noble State recommending constitutional

0:17.2

monarchy, and we'll speak to that. The Charles report is coming up. However,

0:21.3

we begin, Gregory mentioned earlier, Mr. Macron, the president of France, and Mr. Merritt,

0:27.8

Herr Merz, the Chancellor of All Germany, gathered together to write an editorial on the front

0:33.4

pages of the Financial Times in these last hours, the first day of the NATO meeting.

0:38.6

The F.T's summary is is Macron and merits Europe must arm itself in an unstable world.

0:45.3

Unstable is the part I'm keen on right now. The main source of instability writes the two leaders,

0:52.6

for Europe comes from Russia, which has been waging an

0:55.6

imperialist war with its invasions of Georgia in 2008, then of Crimea and Dunbass in 2014,

1:03.0

and the whole of Ukraine in 2022. Vladimir Putin's objective is to undermine European security

1:08.9

to Moscow's advantage. There is a methodical attempt on the part of Russia to exercise coercive tutelage over its

1:16.1

neighbors to seek to destabilize European countries and to challenge the global order.

1:22.8

Say the two leaders, we cannot accept it because our aim is to protect and preserve peace on our continent.

1:29.9

Gregory, I frame it this way.

1:32.8

Small wars can very quickly and surprisingly, as in, wow, built to a big war.

1:43.5

The best description I can think of, because I've been reading about the Royal Navy before the First War, the Great War, and the building of the Dreadnought class and anticipation that the Wall of Oak wasn't going to hold anymore, all of that, that the small wars of 2008, 1909, the Serbian wars of 1912, all those were

2:08.3

building towards nothing until Sarajevo. And suddenly everybody was choosing sides.

2:16.8

France mobilized, Russia mobilized, Germany mobilized in contest, as Serbia was attacked by Austria,

2:26.3

and the first war developed into a nightmare that lasted until 1945.

2:32.8

I don't think we're going to repeat history,

2:36.1

but I do think that these small wars,

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