Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, S.SS. Nation and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor.

It is the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime. is not just a tagline it is our reality we've got a new

best guest tonight and we're gonna just dive into this

time. We are going to say head first, but we'll go both legs this time.

We are awaiting a third best guest who would be

none other than Susan Constantine.

She is the owner and founder of the Human Behavior Lab.

She's a jury consultant and the author of how to spot a liar in seven seconds or less.

You guys know Ryan on the bottom. He is a former homicide prosecutor in this very

county, the same job that Will Jay and Dave Kachitori have currently is his old job now he is a

victim's attorney and new to the show I met her this is what happens when you go on location you meet interesting people and I met

candy and I said hey candy do you want to come on STS and she obliged this is candy

eaten she is a former public defender investigator.

Over 30 years of experience doing that,

and now she has a private investigation firm.

So she's gonna give us a totally different

look at this a totally different angle and to be honest I don't know what it is but I'm

curious to find out let me just start with a couple things real quick. So I did speak to Kevin Beck and I'll be totally honest. I cannot remember if it was yesterday, late in the day or early today. However, I asked him how do you think Sarah Boone did on the stand and his

quote was, she did very well. Now this afternoon I know for a fact I spoke to Tony Henderson, chair

number two for Sarah Boone, and asked him the same question. He paused for a

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