Sara Groves' Borrowed Courage: Bearing Witness to ICE in Minnesota and the Gospel
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šļø 15 February 2026
ā±ļø 51 minutes
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Summary
Disappearing Neighbors, Upended Constitutional Norms, and an Artist's Response to ICE
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Curtis Chang talks with singer-songwriter and Twin Cities resident Sara Groves about heightened ICE activity in MinneapolisāSaint Paul and why the consequences for families and neighborhoods persist after the headlines fade. Groves challenges claims that "protesters are paid agitators" or that "ICE targets only criminals," naming the emotional and spiritual toll alongside concerns about due process and constitutional overreach. They discuss "borrowed courage," the cost of public witnessāwhen refusing to defend the indefensibleāand how Christians can resist dehumanization by loving neighbors and cultivating beauty amid fear and division.
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02:45 - Sara's Eyewitness Account of ICE Activity
07:08 - Challenging Misconceptions and Narratives
10:18 - Refugees and Legal Overreach
13:48 - Has There Been A Public Reaction to Sara's Advocacy?
18:43 - Local Tragedies and Finding Borrowed Courage
23:44 - Why Do Some Stay Silent or Disengaged?
25:31 - Losing Fans and the Cost of Advocacy
35:41 - What Is the Artist's Response?
43:42 - The Challenges For Sensitive Souls Engaging in Social JusticeĀ
44:38 - A Message to Listeners Beyond Minnesota
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Scriptures:
- Matthew 22:37-39 (ESV)
- Mark 12:29-31 (ESV)
- Isaiah 1:18 (ESV)
- Ephesians 6:10-18 (ESV)
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Mentioned in This Episode:
- Video from Sara's social media bearing witness to current event s in Minnesota
- Learn about the work of International Justice Mission
- MPR articles about the killing of Philando Castile
- MPR articles about the murder of George Floyd
Two 17-year-old U.S. citizens detained at Target (local news video) - Federal Court Blocks: "Operation PARRIS," Orders Release of Detained Refugees
- More about Makoto Fujimura
- Kazuo Ishiguro's The Buried Giant
- Flannery O'Connor's Some Aspects of the Grotesque in Southern Fiction (read by O'Connor)
- Dorcas Thomson's Social Justice for the Sensitive Soul
- Learn about the Art House North
- Sara Groves' album What Makes It Through?
- Sara Groves' song "Telltale Heart"
- Sara Groves' song "Enough"
- Sara Groves' song-in-progress "Normal Things Are Hard Right Now"
- Steven Galloway's The Cellist of Sarajevo
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Past Episodes Referenced in this Conversation:
- Good Faith ep. 215: David French: Dual State America and Authoritarianism - Renee Good and the Trump Administration
- Good Faith ep. 142: Finding God in the Small Things with Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth
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| 0:00.0 | Even though ICE says activity in Minnesota may ease, and the Department of Homeland |
| 0:09.0 | Security remains caught in a funding standoff, the impact on families and neighborhoods |
| 0:16.0 | doesn't end when attention shifts. That's why we are still telling these stories, so the lived realities on the ground are |
| 0:25.2 | seen, understood, and not forgotten. |
| 0:34.1 | If you say in your head, if this whole group of people didn't exist, then my life would be better. |
| 0:38.8 | That has got to be examined. And that's for all of us to examine. If I were to say, if this group of people just didn't exist anymore, I would be better off. |
| 0:46.8 | Our ability to love there, love that person, is the whole thing. |
| 1:06.9 | Yeah. is the whole thing. Welcome to the Good Faith podcast, where friends who follow Jesus help each other make sense of the world. |
| 1:13.2 | I'm your host, Curtis Chang. |
| 1:15.3 | This podcast is produced by a nonpartisan 501C3 organization. |
| 1:20.6 | A few episodes ago, we featured a Minneapolis pastor who sheared her ground-eye view of the ice raids in her city and state. |
| 1:30.0 | That episode was released around the height of public attention on what was happening there. |
| 1:35.4 | But public attention, being what it is, is often just led to the next new event. |
| 1:41.3 | And as such, all of us have a hard time sustaining awareness of really important |
| 1:46.1 | events. Already, we see this happening with Minneapolis and Minnesota. But there are moments when |
| 1:53.3 | we shouldn't too quickly move on from a new story precisely because that story bears witness |
| 1:58.8 | to something larger and important. And I believe that's true |
| 2:02.8 | with what is happening there. So we wanted to share with you another local voice from the Twin Cities, |
| 2:09.4 | this time with Sarah Groves. Sarah is a well-known singer and songwriter and recording artist |
| 2:15.6 | who recently released the album What Makes It Through. |
| 2:19.6 | Groves has long peered music with advocacy, serving since 2005 as an artist in partnership |
| 2:25.2 | with the International Justice Mission. She lives in St. Paul, Minnesota with her husband |
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