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Welcome back to the forum. I'm Michael Krasny.

San Jose Mayor Sam Laccardo recently released a nine-point proposal to revamp the city's embattled police department.

He says the plan will reform, not defund the police, while squarely addressing nationwide outrage over racial injustice and police brutality.

But critics of Mayor Likardo's plan are calling

for more significant and swift changes to the department that was recently marred in a scandal

involving racist behavior by officers. Sam Likardo joins us to talk about police reform and other

issues facing the city, including shutdown orders that are dealing a financial blow to many

households and businesses.

And welcome, Mayor Laccardo. Good to have you aboard. Great to be with you, Michael.

Good to have you here, but we just talked about defunding, and you're not defunding. And I guess

the real question here is, are you going far enough? Are you really going to, with the kind of

reforms you put forward, and we'll talk about them in detail, I hope, but it's a nine-point plan. I know you didn't

want to go to Ten Commandments. You went to nine. But we're talking about something that in many

people's minds doesn't really address enough systemic racism or structural racism.

Yeah, and I appreciate the criticism because it's important.

You know, we did not defund in San Jose.

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