Welcome back to the Ten Blocks podcast. I'm Jordan McGillis, Economic Editor of City Journal.

Joining me on the show today is Jay Dundee. In addition to a job as a corporate lawyer, Jay is the co-founder of the Brianna Society,

a political nonprofit in San Francisco, California. Jay, thanks for joining me. So Jay, I also live in

California, and I notice a tendency among conservatives here in the state to tone down their associations with the Republican Party.

They don't want to be associated with that nasty bunch.

But your group, the Breonna Society, is explicitly Republican, and you're attempting to change San Francisco politics through that vehicle.

Talk to me about your thought process there and why associating explicitly as Republicans

in SF is a worthwhile endeavor. Well, thanks for the question. It's one that we get in one

form or another fairly regularly. Usually it's more pointedly asked as you're trying to revitalize the Republican

party. Why in God's name are you doing that in San Francisco first? And the response that I always

give is that I think San Francisco and other cities like it, not just in California, but across the

U.S. are actually the perfect places to launch this kind of effort because they are ground zero for

voters' experience of failed progressive governance and whether that's in respect of public safety, quality of public schools,

crisis that we're seeing on our streets in regards to homelessness and mental health,

lack of housing, et cetera, et cetera. So I think that voters in San Francisco and across California

are ready and hungry for an alternative. And we hope to

revitalize and transform the Republican Party into something that provides them with a credible

alternative. In the recent City Journal piece, you wrote that we titled San Francisco

moderated. You describe political mobilization, organizing capacity

as being the key factor in San Francisco as opposed to public opinion change. Can you talk to me

about that aspect? Yeah, absolutely. So San Francisco has had mayors from the moderate camp,

as it's described here, since I think 1992. I think

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