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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reid Gaelin. Today, I'm joined by

Pulitzer Prize winning and New York Times bestselling author Stacy Schiff. She's written

in impressive catalog of books, including award-winning biographies on Benjamin Franklin,

Clea Patrick, and now her latest book, The Revolutionary Samuel Adams. The Revolutionary

was named one of the Wall Street Journal's ten best books of 2022 and was also featured

on President Barack Obama's list of best books for last year. It's available wherever

fine books are sold. In addition to her books, Stacy's written for numerous publications,

including The New Yorker, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The L.A. Times. She's

coming to us from North of New York City today, Stacy. Welcome. Thanks, Reid. I'm delighted

to join you. Okay, so I'm going to start on page one. He was a perfect failure until

middle age. Samuel Adams, who you note, has only come down to us as a firebrand revolutionary

and a popular beer was a failure until middle age. This is a guy who went to Harvard,

who had opportunities, but somehow until the middle of his life couldn't figure it out.

So I don't know why, but I find that immensely appealing. Something about the late blooming

part of the personality. It just jumps off the page at me. Some of us are still waiting

to go on stage. I know. I'm sure there's a piece of that for me as well. But it's also

that this is a man who has not only one Harvard degree, but two Harvard degrees. He has

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