Hi folks, John Carlin here. As many of you know, Cyberspace is a cafe insider podcast that

I host every other Friday. Guests who've made a significant impact in the world of

cybersecurity join me to explore issues at the intersection of tech, law, and policy.

For this week's episode, I speak with David Sanger. He's an author and long-time national

security correspondent for The New York Times, where he's been a part of three teams that

have won Pulitzer prizes. His 2018 book, The Perfect Weapon, War, Sabotage, and Fear

in the Cyber Age has been adapted into a new HBO documentary in the same name. Both examine

the emergence of cyber conflict on the international stage and its lasting impact on the nature of

global power. We discuss the successful effort by US officials to protect the election from

cyber enemies, the increasing threat of ransomware attacks, and the challenge of adapting a book

into a documentary and trying to tell the story of cybersecurity visually. Today we're

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One thing we're getting a little better at John, but I think we've got a long way to go,

is the assumption that most cyber data that you're collecting has a very brief lifespan

as useful intelligence and therefore should be in my view largely assumed to be unclassified

except perhaps the details of how you obtained it so that you can spread it much more quickly.

Because if you've got live information as they did in the case of the Iranian proud boys

emails, if you don't act on it within hours or days, it's going to be useless within a

week. And we had a system in 2016 where people would spend weeks or months trying to decide

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