Sam Zam Murray, the subject of this episode, may be the highest agency person that have ever come across,

and that's saying a lot because every single person that you and I study on Founders Podcast is high agency.

The way I think about a high agency person is the world doesn't happen to them they happen to the world

I made this episode over a year ago and I wanted to republish it so you can listen to

it again I think this story is that important and I actually tell you what reminded me of

Sam's incredible life story in a minute. First I want to tell you about 8 sleep. One of the most

unique things about this podcast is that I know the founder of every company that

advertises on founders all of them listen to founders so it makes building a

relationship a lot easier and the reason I do this is because I only want sponsors

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live and breathe their product. In every case, we share the same

obsession for the quality of the products that we're making

and the businesses that we are building.

And so 8Sleep is one of the sponsors of this episode

and the founder, Mateo and I actually live in the same city a few months

after I started to use 8 sleep I randomly ran into Mateo at a restaurant. I went over to say

hi when I got back to my table my friend asked me who I was talking to and I said oh that's Mateo the founder of

8 sleep and then my friend said the funniest thing ever he replied he goes oh he looks like he

gets good sleep. Mateo is living and breathing his product I I never, before I had any sleep, ever, ever had the ability to change the temperature of my bed before I got an 8 sleep mattress.

I had no idea how much that would improve the quality of my sleep I keep my 8 sleep ice cold.

It is cold before I get into bed.

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