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The Ezra Klein Show

Salman Rushdie Is Not Who You Think He Is

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Salman Rushdie’s 1988 novel, “The Satanic Verses,” made him the target of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who denounced the book as blasphemous and issued a fatwa calling for his assassination. Rushdie spent years trying to escape the shadow the fatwa cast on him, and for some time, he thought he succeeded. But in 2022, an assailant attacked him onstage at a speaking engagement in western New York and nearly killed him. “I think now I’ll never be able to escape it. No matter what I’ve already written or may now write, I’ll always be the guy who got knifed,” he writes in his new memoir, “Knife: Meditations After an Attempted Murder.” In this conversation, I asked Rushdie to reflect on his desire to escape the fatwa; the gap between the reputation of his novels and their actual merits; how his “shadow selves” became more real to millions than he was; how many of us in the internet age also have to contend with our many shadow selves; what Rushdie lives for now; and more. Mentioned: Midnight’s Children by Salman Rushdie Book Recommendations: Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes, translated by Edith Grossman One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez The Trial by Franz Kafka The Castle by Franz Kafka Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Aman Sahota. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero and Mrinalini Chakravorty.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From New York Times opinion, this is the Ezra Klein Show. I feel like I've always known who Salman Rushty is. Long before I read

0:26.9

literary fiction, he just sat in my consciousness as the author of this eerie sounding novel called the

0:35.2

satanic verses a novel so somehow dangerous he had to go into hiding after the

0:40.4

Supreme Leader of Iran said he and anyone involved in it

0:44.8

should be killed for blasphemy Islam.

0:47.4

So Rushdie sat there in the back of my mind for decades.

0:50.6

I didn't think much about him. The whole story felt like this weird relic of the

0:54.2

80s, but then in August of 2022 I saw the news that a fanatic with a knife had tried to

1:00.3

carry out the fatwa, had attacked Rushdee during a speech, and nearly killed him.

1:06.0

There was confusion and panic.

1:08.4

The attack happened in full view of the audience, with Sir Salman left injured lying on stage and eyewitnesses in

1:16.2

deep shock. Witnesses say Rushty's attacker stabbed him 10 to 15 times before

1:21.6

members of the audience grabbed him and restrained him.

1:24.3

Rushty is currently on a ventilator unable to speak according to his book agent the

1:28.9

75-year-old's liver was punctured he suffered severe nerve damage to his arm and will likely lose an eye.

1:35.0

Rusty was attacked yesterday morning in front of roughly 25.

1:38.0

Rasty survived, though he lost an eye to the attack and the recovery in the rehabilitation was grueling.

1:44.8

And he began to write again. And his latest book,

1:47.6

Nife, is about the attack. It's about his life. It's about his marriage. It's about his children, and I think at its core, it's about something else too.

1:57.7

It's about the invention of other versions of him that became more real in the world than he was.

2:04.0

Other versions of him that almost got him killed.

2:07.0

And this is what I now understand after reading knife,

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