Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

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Sally Quinn as you're about to hear is a character, a great character. She rose to journalistic

notoriety and prominence at the Washington Post as the style reporter. She really covered

the Washington DC social scene for many, many years. It was a big part of the scene. She

ended up marrying Ben Bradley, the editor, the famous editor of the Washington Post who

was the editor during the Pentagon Papers and Watergate. And later on, got interested

in faith and spirituality and started a website for the Washington Post called on faith.

During which time she had a transformation from being an atheist to something else. What

that something else is, I'll let her describe in this interview. She's also got her own,

I would say brand of meditation. When I talk about meditation, mostly I'm talking about

mindfulness meditation, pay attention to your breath when you get lost, start again.

But I'm always very open about the fact that the word meditation, as you'll hear me saying,

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