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This is how he survived.

Why he refused to glorify that life after release and how prison pushed him toward music

instead of back to the streets.

Saigon, welcome to Lockton, man.

Thanks so much for coming on the show today. Thank you for having me, man. This is special. Yeah, small world that you're in Connecticut now. I know, right? I love Connecticut, man. When I see other people from New York in Connecticut, I get mad. How do you know about this? Connecticut is the best kept secret. Yeah, yeah. And it's been there to Tri-State area the whole time. It's been there the whole time. Everybody goes to Jersey, the Hackensack, the Edgewater, to, oh, yeah, yeah. I'm like, nah, Connecticut is the gym, bro. And it's the same proximity to New York City. We all want to be close to home, so that's why we don't go to, well, some people go to Atlanta, but the ones who've got to stay here, got to stay here. Yeah, people are funny, too, when you say that, you know, you're near New York City. They're like, ah, it's so far, but it's literally like an hour and 15 minutes. I get to the Bronx and 15 minutes. Yeah, the Bronx is like right there.

Yeah, it's no different than going from New York City and New Jersey.

It's no, that's the same thing.

The proximity is exactly this.

This is actually closer.

Yeah, to get from here to New York City.

Yeah, because you don't got to deal with a lot of that GW traffic.

Yeah, the traffic.

Yeah, you shoot right here and you right there in Stanford.

Good old Stanford.

Yeah, when we go to like the airports, if you leave at the right time, you get there an hour,

hour and six minutes to JFK.

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