Hey everybody, welcome to the Bob Goffin-Frey podcast.

I'm so glad you're here and I hope this is a wide spot in the road for you.

If you've just really had a difficult week, you just feel a little beat up.

I hope this is a play where

you can catch your breath and actually remember how to breathe. And if it's been an awesome one,

like everything's a touchdown or whatever sports metaphor is out there, then good on you.

That's great. We're celebrating that too. But my favorite thing to do is bring lifelong friends

on the podcast so you can hear from them. And today we have Jen Hatmaker and Jen, welcome to the podcast.

Oh, gosh. I'm so happy to see you. It's been too long and I've missed you. And it just, this is the bright spot in my day, I assure you.

Thanks for having me.

Oh, me, too.

It's kind of fun when you measure friendships in decades, not days.

And there's a place for both of those.

And just for those who you're listening, maybe reach out to a friend that you haven't connected

with in a decade or two.

Find somebody that you've lost touch with from a year and take a genuine interest in them.

And Jen, the reason that you pop to mind, you've got a book that's hit the times and again I think this number five or six

or who knows what it is it's a big number because you're such a gifted writer but it's you're

gifted writer because you're a gifted human tell us a little bit about the stuff that you have to

offer in terms of encouragement for people that might be in a difficult

spot, things might be going great.

Most people by now know the premise of your book and the arc of your life and what you

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