Sex is great, you know, I think sex can be a source of joy. I hope it is for people. It can be a source of connection.

But for me, it was also an unexpected, hard one way to learn about people.

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Writer and poet Saeed Jones moved to Columbus Ohio in September. He's 33 years old and had been living in New York.

He has no family or connections in Columbus, but the city had made an impression when Saeed passed through town on a cross-country reporting trip.

I woke up very early to write and go get some breakfast and I crossed the street and I went to

this McDonald's and I heard laughter before I opened the door, and I stepped in, and there was just this table of like four or five older black men, all had their newspapers, all had their coffees, and you know, they saw me and nodded

and said, hello, young man.

And they were so happy and they greeted every single person

that came in.

And so I think the thing that clinked it for me or brought it all together

was that yes the city is vibrant I think it's up and coming I think there's

development it's got all these other kind of factors but black people are happy here I saw joy I saw

Negro sunshine and like that night I started looking up like how much our

apartments here the median rent for a one bedroom in Columbus is around $900, $2,000 less than a one bedroom in New York City.

Saeed lived there for years, most recently working at Buzzfeed as an editor and then co-host of the Twitter show AM to DM.

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