We must create enthusiasm by playing the game, not because players have become famous people.

This is not a movie. This is a football team.

That is Orygo Saki, characteristically emphasising the team nature of football there.

A man who absolutely changed football really provides the foundations for everything we watch today in modern football.

And we are in part four of his life story.

I would urge you to go back and listen to the introduction on this series with Jamie Carrague.

Jamie is absolutely fascinating

on Oregosaki and obviously listens to Part 1, 2 and 3 to catch up because Jonathan

Wilson has taken us through his life in a fascinating way, absolutely extraordinary store

of a shoe salesman who changed professional football. And at the end of the last part,

he had reached his peak, really the peak of football with the European Cup final,

where they beat Starr Brucker, 4-0.

He's been vindicated.

He's shown his critics are wrong.

It's 1988.

And now, Jonathan, what's going to happen from here on?

Can he possibly do that again and match that achievement?

Well, I mean, yes, you can.

But Stauer, I think, was the game he most enjoyed.

That was where he saw his vision of football really come to life.

That is the high point.

And he talks about this sort of happiness without limits

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