Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Rah. My guest today is my friend

Seda Collier. You might remember about a year ago, Seda was on the podcast for the first time.

That podcast was interesting because Seda had reached out to me after reading my book and

body. Seda is a trans woman. She read my book, really loved it, had some questions reached out to

me and we had a couple of email exchanges and I said, hey, let's, I think we set up like a time

to zoom chat to get to know each other more and I said, hey, why don't we just get to know each

other more on the podcast? I'll just hit record. And so that's what we did. So our first time

actually talking to each other at least online was recorded in real time. Again, I think it was

last fall, maybe. So we've kept up since then. Seda came out to the Exiles and Babylon conference,

where we were able to see each other for the first time. We, you know, we exchange emails and we

chat periodically. So I wanted to bring her back on the podcast, but I said, Seda, would you

want to come back on the podcast? And you be the host, like you interview me. And at first,

she was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm like, no, no, like here, here's my motivation. Like I,

I'm not trans. I write this book on transgender identities, which is a very daring,

so I might even say audacious thing to do. So I would love to take the backseat here and let a

trans gender person, a trans woman. Yeah, have had it. What are, what are questions you have,

pushbacks? Whatever you want to do, the floor is yours. So that's what we do in this podcast.

We talk about several different things, the main leading question, which took about a half

hour to actually come back to after we, after Seda asked me it. She was pushing back against my

biblical argument against transitioning, which I have in the book. I make the argument somewhat

cautiously, but I did give reasons why I don't think transitioning resonates with God's intent.

Seda transitioned over 10 years ago and isn't quite convinced. I'll say it like that of my argument.

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