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For full terms, visit the QVC website. I'm John Batchel. Gordon Chang, At Gordon-Gi-Chang, my colleague and co-host, and we're going to the Koreas, especially North Korea, which is darkness visible, but with the help of Greg

Scarletu, President and CEO of the Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, we can peek in a little bit

after the fact, perhaps, of North Korea's activities.

Greg, a very good day to you. The meeting in Beijing, dominating the headlines these last days between President Trump

and President Xi Jinping striking to me when I was looking over the material for our conversation

today, how North Korea, to my mind, in the readouts from both sides, did not come up even once.

And that was not the 20th century or even the early 21st century version of North Korea.

It was always there as a troublemaker those days when George Bush's administration,

Barack Obama's administration, would appeal to Beijing,

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