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S8 Ep885: Guest Author Admiral James Stavridis discusses the necessity of gathering intelligence through the contrasting examples of George Dewey and Bill Halsey. At Manila Bay, Dewey successfully utilized human intelligence from State Department diplomats to const

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 May 2026

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Guest Author Admiral James Stavridis discusses the necessity of gathering intelligence through the contrasting examples of George Dewey and Bill Halsey. At Manila Bay, Dewey successfully utilized human intelligence from State Department diplomats to construct a victory. Conversely, during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, Halsey suffered from incomplete communication and imperfect intelligence, leading him to abandon the landing force. Stavridis also introduces Admiral Michelle Howard, who exemplifies the ability to weigh consequences. Howard's successful rescue of Captain Phillips highlights how assessing risk effectively is a vital leadership skill, even when newly assigned to a command. (1/4)
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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.2

Here's John Batchelor.

0:10.8

Admiral Jim Stavridis, the United States Navy retired.

0:14.6

His new book is very helpful to understand the history of the Navy

0:18.3

and the way the Navy educates its future leadership.

0:22.6

The book is To Risk It All, Nine Conflicts and the Crucible of Decision.

0:28.1

Jim has lessons learned, and I mean to speak to each of them with the examples he provides in his book,

0:35.4

the telling of these lives at sea and on shore.

0:39.8

We begin with lesson learned about how to be a leader in the U.S. Navy.

0:45.9

Gather all intelligence you can find, like a sponge.

0:50.9

The examples I'm most attracted to in the book are George Dewey, who led the charge into Manila Bay,

1:00.1

and an example of gathering intelligence but not being able to follow through because of incomplete communications.

1:08.2

That would be Bill Halsey in 1944 in the Battle of Lady Gulf. Admiral,

1:13.7

congratulations. Good evening. George Dewey is easy to like, especially when you tell us he was a rascal most

1:20.2

of his life. How does he exemplify gathering intelligence before you contact the enemy? Good evening to you. Good evening, sir.

1:29.8

And thanks for having me on to talk about this new book, to risk it all. And let's start with

1:35.7

George Dewey. He leads the U.S. Navy through victory in the Spanish-American War 120 years ago.

1:44.0

So in 1898, he has a challenge.

1:46.8

He has a problem.

1:48.1

He needs to conquer the Spanish fleet in vast Manila Bay.

1:53.6

But in 1898, there isn't much intelligence available.

1:57.6

We don't have satellites.

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