I'm John Betts with Professor Avenelis, Venezuela.

Delci Rodriguez remains in the palace as the nominal

president, Jorge Rodriguez, her brother, head of the assembly. And phase one, phase two, phase

three is the explanation. We're waiting for phase three, which means a return to democracy.

Name a date, Rodriguez, his name a date for the election. At the same time,

Evan, I report to you in conversation with the opposition in exile

after spending time in jail.

The observation is not just that there are at least 400 political prisoners

still in that dungeon outside of Caracas.

Not just that Ms. Machado has prevented rationally from returning to Venezuela, because they've now

done away with the amnesty law that was unacceptable to begin with.

Not just that there's no transparency about the oil money that's

flowing into the Rodriguez's hands after, you know, for a coffee break in Qatar or whatever game

they're playing, but also the understanding by the opposition that the Rodriguez has

determined that they can slow walk the phase two because Donald Trump

or Trump's administration favors them and that therefore there's going to be no controlling

how long they can take and what they're waiting for is for the opposition to fall apart,

for the amount of money that they've taken in to give them the stability they need,

and essentially no change except Maduro's on trial and we're here. Now, that's the opposition

talking. It's not balanced. It's just a complaint. The opposition is very grateful to the Trump administration, having done what no previous president would do for them, which is to get rid of Maduro. But where are the Rodriguez's? Who's holding them accounting, accountable for the naming the date for the vote.

That doesn't seem to be going any place, any place anytime soon, John, although certainly

the U.S. has indicated that as part of its three-pronged strategy of, you know, stabilized and

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