S8 Ep826: Preview for Later Today: Guest Gordon Chang. Chang examines the trade dilemma involving China's support for Iran's nuclear program. He discusses President Trump's efforts to stop Beijing's military proliferation by leveraging China's current economic trad
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 3 minutes
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| 0:33.7 | Gordon Chang about the quandary of trade. President of the United States traveling to Beijing |
| 0:39.9 | in these next days to talk trade to China knowing, confirming that China is supplying, is backing up, |
| 0:48.4 | is paying for, is transferring technology to Iran at war with the United States and Israel over the suspect nuclear weapons |
| 0:55.8 | program, among other complaints. So, trading with the enemy while the enemy is trading with the |
| 1:02.0 | enemy. It's a quandary and it cannot easily be solved. Gordon believes that Mr. Trump is approaching |
| 1:08.6 | it in the correct fashion, putting up a stiff arm in front of China |
| 1:16.4 | and saying no more. We look forward to the results of this meeting. Here's Gordon to explain. |
| 1:23.3 | It makes sense if you can get away with it, and so far previous presidents have allowed the |
| 1:28.4 | Chinese to get away with it, because we've seen that China's transplanted its nuclear |
| 1:33.2 | weapons program to Iran. It's helped the North Korean sell all sorts of missiles to Iran, |
| 1:40.5 | including the components for an intercontinental ballistic missile, the Wasong 15. |
| 1:45.8 | So, yes, the Chinese will continue to do this until they're stopped. And President Trump is |
| 1:51.2 | stopping them. So this is the time where a lot of bad policy has now culminated, and we've got to |
| 1:58.6 | do something about it. And it's going to shake a lot of trade-dependent |
| 2:01.8 | economies, especially China, because China has been never more trade-dependent in its history |
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