I'm John Batser, Bill Rajos, Senior Fellow Foundation for Defense of Democracy,

joins me,

and we turn our attention to Eurasia, the other war of major significance for the 21st century

and for our allies in Europe. That is the Ukraine conflict. For more than a year, two years perhaps,

there's been the constant question about manpower for Ukraine.

What is to be done? And then there is the constant question about rearming for anti-air

defenses. What is to be done? We don't have an answer, but we have an indication of the future

being evenly distributed with drones. We welcome John Hardy of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy

to follow as best we can from this distance

the Ukrainian genius of coming up with drone counters.

For every weapon there's a counter.

Some of these weapons I had never anticipated

because we're operating drones not at the

battle front, which has been a story of defending Keefe for some time, but at great distances,

not only for the operator, but for the drone, so much so that the drone interceptors can be rented or leased or sold to other countries.

And you can operate at a distance.

It suggests here in a report recently 2,000 kilometers from the drone itself.

John, a very good evening to you. I've lost track.

I know that Ukraine is associated with manufacturing drones, the cheaper the better to you. I've lost track. I know that Ukraine is associated with manufacturing drones,

the cheaper the better to intercept, but this long-distance drone operation so that you don't have

to be anywhere near the battlefront. Is this new? And does this answer that manpower question?

Good evening to you.

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