This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchett. With Brandon Weikert. His new book is

Biohack, China's Race to Control Life. Brandon has recommendations at the close of his revelations.

The first stop sharing. The second, stop investing.

Is it happened already, Brandon?

We have a completely different atmosphere towards China and Washington now than when you were there a decade ago or when you were speaking even two years ago. Has it already happened that we backed away?

In some cases, there is some pullback, but for the most part,

there's still the attraction of a billion-plus person market that these tech firms,

these U.S.-based and Western tech firms, they look to China as, you know, this is the future,

this is a potential massive boost for their bottom line. So while, yes,

in some specific cases, the tech sector has pulled back, generally speaking, they have not.

In fact, they're continuing. And when China builds these world-class research labs,

like the Wuhan, they have an entire research hub at Wuhan called BioLake. So that's going to keep

appealing to innovators and investors. So we need to do more. And that's why I say in the book,

classify tech transfers from U.S.-based tech firms to Chinese firms as a bribe under the

Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. And that'll cut the process of sharing at least by

half, maybe more.

Ending R&D and biotech in China.

Are we conducting it?

Are we still in the Wuhan Lab?

It's a bit murky, but before he left government, Anthony Fauci authorized several million dollar transfer to EcoHealth Alliance that ended up in the hands of Wuhan Institute of Virology again, where again, I note not only are they now doing coronavirus research and development, but they're doing research on smallpox.

Sifias, what part can that play?

So China not only likes to bring our people and money into China, but they try to buy up our

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