This is John Batchel, conversation with Mary Anastasia Grady of the Wall Street Journal editorial page about Cuba.

What is the status of the said-to-be loosening grip by the junta?

Are they leaving? Are they staying? Are they negotiating? Is there a price?

Mary sums it all up by saying we're not even getting to the place where we can talk about them exiting.

What about justice? What about the people who are persecuted? What about all the human rights

violations for decades? Here's Marion where we are. More of this tonight. Well, I think there's a

little bit of a debate going on there because some people are saying look the main thing is we just

have to get rid of these guys so if you if they say we'll leave we'll go live in uh turkey or um

turkey is one of the more popular places or someplace where the international criminal court can't

get them there's a there's a segment of the people who want to liberate Cuba and say, fine, just let them go.

And there's another segment who, as you say, want justice for the crimes against humanity that this regime has committed.

But I think we're way early in that conversation.

I mean, they don't even want to leave.

They're not willing to just basically say, we failed, we're going to leave.

We're going to turn this over to some kind of a junta, a board,

which would manage a transition to allow for elections.

We're not even close to that right now.