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with Indeed. This is John Batchel, conversation with with Annie Fixler of the Foundation for Defense of Democracy on Cyber Threats.

Certainly Iran and its allies in Moscow and Beijing and Pyongyang are skilled at using cyber in order to weaken and undermine an adversary, and that is ongoing in the Middle East

struggles. However, what any comments here upon is the news that Anthropic has identified a program,

a model that is capable of identifying very quickly and massively errors within code leading to the

possibility that security is no longer able, is no longer a product of what we have now.

We've got to develop in the future new security. Why? Annie points to China. That's why.

Here's Annie to explain. Any fixer? More tonight.

Yes. So it is a challenging time in cybersecurity, I would say. The announcement out of Anthropic, their newest model is capable of discovering vulnerabilities in software at an astronomical rate. And so it can discover vulnerabilities much faster than our systems are, sort of the systems

we have for responsible disclosure and patching have been built to address.

So Anthropic took sort of the responsible decision and didn't release this model publicly.

It is partnered with a number of other companies, tech companies, JP Morgan's part of the consortium as well, to test this model, to figure out how to address the fact that this model is so

capable.

The challenge that you and I were talking about before we started is that China is hot on our heels in terms of developing its own AI capabilities.

And if and when Chinese models are capable of doing what Anthropics model is capable of doing,

China is not going to make the responsible decision and partner with some good responsible actors to figure out how to deal

with this, they're going to use that model to develop greater cyber capabilities than they

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