S8 Ep736: 8. THE LEGACY OF THE SISTERHOOD AND BEYOND Guest Mundy: Guest Mundy concludes with the current lives of the "Sisterhood," including Barbara Sude and Heidi August, who often sacrificed family for their careers. These women eventually found catharsis b
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🗓️ 13 April 2026
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8. THE LEGACY OF THE SISTERHOOD AND BEYOND Guest Mundy: Guest Mundy concludes with the current lives of the "Sisterhood," including Barbara Sude and Heidi August, who often sacrificed family for their careers. These women eventually found catharsis by gathering to read aloud from the self-serving memoirs of the male directors they served. Mundy addresses the "sharp-elbowed" reputation of the woman who inspired the film *Zero Dark Thirty*, noting she was denied promotion despite her success. Ultimately, Mundy frames this history as a broader commentary on Americanculture and the enduring struggle for female professional recognition within the highest levels of the US government. (9)
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| 0:30.7 | This is CBSI on the world. I'm John Batchel. Liza Mundy, very generously speaking with me of her rich new book, it is the story of the |
| 0:40.1 | sisterhood, the secret history of women at the CIA. |
| 0:43.5 | Sometimes they called themselves a sisterhood. |
| 0:46.2 | There were adventures plenty over 70 years, 80 years now, since the OSS was formed in the |
| 0:52.9 | crisis of the Second War. |
| 0:55.2 | And whatever happened to, the senior officials who provided the information that warned and warned and mourned of 9-11, 9-11 was a sharp turn in the road, and we haven't recovered from it. |
| 1:07.2 | Not yet. Not yet. So whatever happened to. we begin with Barbara Sude, oh, the Arabic scholar. |
| 1:15.3 | Where is she now, Liza? Well, she is retired and living in North Carolina. She stayed with the |
| 1:21.1 | hunt for bin Laden for a long time. And until, you know, she was really well past retirement age at that point, |
| 1:28.8 | but she hung on for a long time thinking that, you know, that they might get him on her watch. |
| 1:35.6 | And when she retired, she did get a call from a colleague saying, |
| 1:40.3 | turn on the TV, you know, it's been a good day at the office. |
| 1:44.0 | And our super agent, Heidi August, where is she? |
| 1:49.8 | She's living in California. |
| 1:51.8 | She is resourceful and well connected as ever able to put herself into a new community |
| 1:59.3 | and immediately begin to build ties and really serve her community |
| 2:04.2 | when volunteer organizations. And, you know, as we talked about, a number of the women who served |
| 2:10.2 | in the clandescent service in the Cold War really had to sacrifice having families, having marriages, |
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