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I'm John Baxter with Liza Mundy.

Her new book is The Sisterhood, the Secret History of Women at the CIA.

It's also a history of the CIA.

So you can see the mission after the fall of the Soviet Union was unknown. It didn't have a clear way of,

this is what we're for, 20,000 people working at Langley with a reputation of James Bond's,

but Smersh is gone, Karl is gone, Moscow Center's gone, what do we do now? Well, Heidi had seen it in Malta, but now we go to

something called the CTC, the Counterterrorism Center, which Liza, you introduces having a faded

carpet. What was it? The Counterterrorism Center was a very small office, just as you say, at headquarters, the CIA that was created in the mid-1980s.

Just as you say, Heidi August handled a terrorist hijacking on the island of Malta.

And those of us, you know, who were adults in the 1980s remember this period of hijackings,

the Achille-Laro, certainly the explosion of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.

There was a terrifying series of terrorist incidents in the mid-1980s when the Cold War was still

was still very much the central mission of the CIA.

And the CIA and the United States in general didn't know how to handle these.

Target Jackings didn't know how to address terrorism, which is different from fighting communism.

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