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S8 Ep728: 15. Richard Epstein: Professor Richard Epstein provides a historical legal analysis of birthright citizenship, tracing arguments from the 1790 Naturalization Act to the 14th Amendment. He examines the 1898 Supreme Court ruling on Chinese immigrants and it

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🗓️ 11 April 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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15. Richard Epstein: Professor Richard Epstein provides a historical legal analysis of birthright citizenship, tracing arguments from the 1790 Naturalization Act to the 14th Amendment. He examines the 1898 Supreme Court ruling on Chinese immigrants and its implications for modern citizenship debates. (15)

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0:00.0

I'm John Bachelor. I welcome my colleague and friend Richard Epstein at the Civitas Institute. The professor

0:21.7

teaches law at NYU in the University of Chicago. Birthright citizenship, much in the news,

0:27.6

an oral argument to the Supreme Court pending a presumed decision sometime in summer.

0:34.7

Birthright citizenship begins a long trail of argument dating from the founding of the

0:41.0

United States of America. The founders had a view of who was and who was not a citizen. In 1790,

0:48.4

there was a naturalization act that again has an idea of who is and who is not a citizen if born

0:53.8

in the United States.

0:55.9

We then have the Civil War and the tragedy of the Second American Revolution,

1:00.4

leading to the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.

1:03.6

The 14th Amendment speaks to citizenship.

1:07.8

All persons born are naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction

1:13.0

thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside, 14th Amendment.

1:19.5

We then have the Naturalization Act by Congress of 1870 and a very famous Supreme Court decision

1:26.6

in 1898 involving the child of Chinese, legally Chinese couple in the United States and their child born in the United States,

1:39.1

who is regarded by the Supreme Court in the decision as a citizen of the United States. I stopped there because

1:45.9

the professor has taught me all these high points. Now we have to look at what appears to be a decision

1:52.7

to be made here in the 21st century, that you are born in the United States, makes you a citizen

1:59.7

of the United States or not. Professor, a very good

2:03.6

evening to you. I hope my generalized chronology is correct. Good evening. Well, it doesn't

2:09.4

contain any errors, but it's incomplete, of course. I think the best way to begin this is to note

2:15.2

that the campaign with respect to birthright citizenship began politically

2:20.2

on both sides. The president, of course, was very emphatic when he said that he wants to overturn

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