S8 Ep704: 13. Chinese and Russian Involvement in Downing U.S. Aircraft Guest: General Blaine Holt and Gordon Chang Summary: Following the downing of an F-15E, experts suspect China or Russia supplied Iran with passive infrared detection systems. This signals a majo
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🗓️ 7 April 2026
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13. Chinese and Russian Involvement in Downing U.S. Aircraft Guest:General Blaine Holt and Gordon ChangSummary: Following the downing of an F-15E, experts suspect China or Russiasupplied Iran with passive infrared detection systems. This signals a major shift in Beijing’s involvement, necessitating new U.S. electronic warfare countermeasures and tactical adjustments.,, (13)
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor, Gordon Chang, at Gordon G. Chang with me, and we're very pleased to be joined |
| 0:20.8 | by General Blaine Holt, the United States Air Force retired. The downing of U.S. aircraft in combat |
| 0:26.6 | more than 30 days after the start of the conflict. Question how and why. Why is to make an incident, |
| 0:35.0 | of course. However, the how is much more critical. |
| 0:39.8 | Gordon, my understanding is that there are two choices. |
| 0:43.8 | The Iranians say they use the third Cordad missile system, which is their name for some air defense that we had not seen before this incident over Iran. |
| 0:55.2 | The other possibility is passive infrared detection system. |
| 1:00.0 | This is suggestive, Gordon, of being supplied from outside, |
| 1:05.1 | the fact that we didn't see it at the 35th day. |
| 1:07.4 | Is that your reasoning, Gordon? |
| 1:09.5 | That is certainly my reasoning. If the United States can't |
| 1:13.7 | detect passive radar, it just does not admit signals, and so therefore it is extremely hard to find. |
| 1:20.5 | Now, the issue is if they had this passive radar in the beginning of the war on February 28th, |
| 1:25.9 | they would have shot down planes from the very |
| 1:27.9 | beginning of the conflict. The fact that they waited until the 35th day suggests that, at least |
| 1:34.3 | in my mind, that China or Russia supplied this radar in the middle of the conflict. This is |
| 1:41.3 | speculation, but the question is, if I'm not right, then how did this happen |
| 1:47.7 | so late in the war, the 35th day? General, your number is called, please help us. What is a |
| 1:55.2 | passive infrared detection system, and why can't we track it? Good evening to you. Good evening. Yeah, so the Chinese |
| 2:01.8 | have been working on this for a really long time as a counter to our stealth technology, and they |
| 2:08.2 | have other technologies in play too, which is airborne acoustics and this type of thing. They haven't |
| 2:12.8 | really been successful, potentially up until now, with passive detection systems, which, to Gordon's |
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