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S8 Ep701: 3. GUEST GAIUS AND GERMANICUS DEBATE N LONDINIUM, SPRING 92 AD. (5) Gaius and Germanicus find historical perspective in the 13th-century BCE Amarna letters, detailing the "sweet" yet deceptive correspondence between Pharaohs and their vassals. They ma

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 6 April 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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3. GUEST GAIUS AND GERMANICUS DEBATE N LONDINIUM, SPRING 92 AD. (5)
Gaius and Germanicus find historical perspective in the 13th-century BCE Amarna letters, detailing the "sweet" yet deceptive correspondence between Pharaohs and their vassals. They marvel at ancient rascals trading gold-painted wood for favors, drawing a direct line to modern diplomacy where F-35 aircraft have become the new "coin of the realm". Reflecting on Eric Klein's research, they discuss how the high interconnectedness of Bronze Age empires made them inherently fragile. Ultimately, they conclude that the globalization of supply chains today mirrors the ancient world, where the collapse of one power can trigger a civilization-wide cascade.V (6)
CLEOPATRA, LAST OF THE PHAROAHS 

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0:00.0

This is the Friends of History Debating Society.

0:07.0

I am Guy as Germanicus is here.

0:09.0

Frustrated as we are in the 21st century, we turn to the 13th century BCE.

0:15.0

Bronze Age.

0:17.0

There are seven empires.

0:20.0

The critical ones for our conversation are the Egyptian led by the Pharaoh. There are seven empires.

0:27.9

The critical ones for our conversation are the Egyptian, led by the pharaoh, and the Hittite, led by the king.

0:37.0

In between our subordinate kingdoms, the ones that are of concern to a new book, Love War, Diplomacy,

0:39.9

the discovery of the Armarna letters in the Bronze Age World they revealed by Eric Klein.

0:43.8

I've spoken to the archaeologist several times, Eric Klein,

0:48.4

and this is his new book.

0:50.4

And it leads me to smile.

0:53.0

This is delight in our hearts. What was correspondence without email,

0:59.7

without message, text messages, without meeting in person, what was correspondence like in the 13th century

1:06.3

and 14th century BC? They wrote on tablets, the scribes did at their feet. And they wrote in

1:13.3

cuneiform except for when they wrote in hittite. And sometimes they wrote in hittite in cuneiform.

1:18.7

The hittite would be to the other scribe, a message. And then the cuneiform would be the formal.

1:24.7

And the discovery of these tablets was accidental. It was a pile of tablets that had been, they

1:31.0

looked like bricks, but they had writing on them. There were probably originally 600 of them.

1:37.0

This is the 19th century. But many were broken in the discovery and the transportation.

1:43.7

So it's an incomplete record.

1:45.2

But there's enough of the correspondence to know that it's the Pharaoh,

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