I'm John Bachelor,

birthright citizenship, the legal right for individuals born in the United States

to acquire automatically U.S. citizenship is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

Therein lies the tale and the case and the argument. I welcome Professor Richard Epstein,

teaches law at NYU in the University of Chicago. He's at the Civitas Institute, the University of Texas at Austin.

Richard, a very good evening to you. Thank you very much. Birthright citizenship argued before the

Supreme Court oral arguments in these last days by the Solicitor General of the United States

of America, notably for the attendance of a president of the United States at the oral hearing,

I believe, the first time in the Supreme Court history. In any event, you in these last days

have spoken at length, and Chicago has been blessed by your remarks about how the court,

the nine justices who participated in the oral arguments and the Solicitor General,

and we can presume the counselors for the president, have all moved this argument in

directions that are not helpful to clarify language and perhaps

not winning hands at all.

What I heard from Solicitor General John Sauer was emphasis of the word domicile, domicile,

domicile, domicile.

Where do the parents live?

Where are they from?

That, if I read you correctly, is not the case. Good evening

to you, Professor. Yes, no, I mean, this is a very complicated set of issues. And let me first

outline what the strategy is of the Solicitor General, why I think has some chances of success,

but why, in effect, if you're trying to figure out how the entire

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