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S8 Ep661: 4. European arrival brought a herding culture that clashed with North American predators. Driven by human exceptionalism and religious dogma, colonists viewed wolves as enemies, initiating bounties to eliminate the "common devourer". (4)

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🗓️ 29 March 2026

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4. European arrival brought a herding culture that clashed with North American predators. Driven by human exceptionalism and religious dogma, colonists viewed wolves as enemies, initiating bounties to eliminate the "common devourer". (4)

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0:45.8

I'm John Batchew with Professor Dan Flores, whose new book, Wild New World, tells the epic story of animals and people in America.

0:53.5

First contact from European diary keepers and chronologies that are important here,

1:00.7

16th, 17th century.

1:03.1

And what I learn is that the Europeans were amazed, flabbergasted at the range of animals

1:09.7

they had no comparable name for or had never experienced.

1:14.2

This was the Eurasian people who came 13,000 years ago, but in those 13,000 year differences,

1:22.6

there had been major changes in Europe and in North America for the biosphere that they're now entering.

1:30.3

And at first, Dan, there are quotes, one young man named Wood, he's amazed, he's overwhelmed,

1:37.3

he sees this as awe, with awe. Does that go away quickly or does that remain into the 18th century, that awe of the

1:46.1

scale of wildlife? It remains through a great deal of American history, in part because

1:56.2

Europeans bring with them a knowledge of the old world that goes back to the Greeks and Romans, and in some cases even farther.

2:07.6

They have what's called a great chain of being that enumerates and illustrates all the creatures that you know as a European,

2:16.6

but they have no conception that there are other

2:19.8

grand continents across the oceans. And when they arrive in the Americas and then begin confronting

2:25.4

thousands of new birds, new mammals, new reptiles, new plants that they have no idea

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