S8 Ep658: 6. Leila Philip discusses how beavers transform simple streams into complex, functional river systems comprising channels, wetlands, and meadows. Working with geomorphologists, she explains how these "underwater people" mitigate drought and erosion. Reint
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🗓️ 29 March 2026
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6. Leila Philip discusses how beavers transform simple streams into complex, functional river systems comprising channels, wetlands, and meadows. Working with geomorphologists, she explains how these "underwater people" mitigate drought and erosion. Reintroducing beavers helps restore watersheds to their pre-colonial health and ecological functionality. (6)
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| 0:45.1 | I'm John Bachelor with Professor Lila Philip of the College of Holy Cross. |
| 0:49.0 | Her new book is Beaverland, How One Weird Rodent Made America. |
| 0:52.7 | Not only that, but it's teaching America about the rivers. |
| 0:55.0 | The rivers that flood, the rivers that retreat in the drought, the rivers that are surrounded by settlements that are either flooded out |
| 1:01.0 | or too close when a flood comes. The professor introduces us to Dr. Denise Burtstead, and we go to |
| 1:08.1 | the Yale-Meyers Forest. And the professor invariably has an episode where she has to find a walking stick |
| 1:14.6 | because she winds up in these wetlands about to tumble into the water. |
| 1:19.6 | But here we are, we have a walking stick. |
| 1:21.6 | What are you learning from Dr. Birchstead, professor? |
| 1:24.6 | Well, I think the first thing that I learned from Dr. Berksted, who is a wonderful |
| 1:28.7 | researcher and lecturer, is that a river is not just the Hudson River or the Hussetonic or the |
| 1:36.3 | Connecticut River. It's really this intricate system of brooks and streams and creeks. It's |
| 1:42.8 | every little trickle of water that's going |
| 1:45.7 | through the land that's interconnected. We need to think of the river system as almost like a |
| 1:51.7 | fan of arteries and veins that spreads out through the land. And once you think about the river |
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