S8 Ep642: 15. The Complicated Legacy of Robert Mueller. Guest: Craig Unger. Craig Unger reflects on the passing of Robert Mueller, discussing the unfinished questions regarding the 2017-20 Trump-Russia investigation. He highlights the distinction between criminal a
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🗓️ 26 March 2026
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15. The Complicated Legacy of Robert Mueller. Guest: Craig Unger. Craig Unger reflects on the passing of Robert Mueller, discussing the unfinished questions regarding the 2017-20 Trump-Russia investigation. He highlights the distinction between criminal and counterintelligence probes regarding money laundering and influence operations.,, (15)
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchler. I welcome my colleague and friend Craig Unger, journalist and author of several books that are pertinent to the moment with the passing of Robert Mueller. |
| 0:26.4 | The Politico headline in these last days. Robert Mueller, former FBI director who led Trump investigation, dies at 81. |
| 0:34.7 | Subhead, he had a long record of public service before becoming a special counsel for the |
| 0:39.4 | Justice Department in 2017. Indeed, he had a long record. Princeton 66, Marine Corps four years |
| 0:46.1 | in combat, and then many years at Justice Department, concluding with his service as director of the FBI |
| 0:53.6 | for 12 years. |
| 0:55.6 | He was the choice of President Trump in the first term to lead the investigation, questions |
| 1:00.7 | raised about the campaign of 2016 and the connection of the Trump administration with the Russian Federation. |
| 1:07.2 | Craig, a very good evening to you. |
| 1:09.1 | Who was Robert Miller that we now noticed passing, but also |
| 1:12.6 | have unanswered questions of the investigation he led? Good evening, Craig. Well, thanks |
| 1:18.0 | for having me, John. It's great to be back. Mueller was very much an institutionalist. He |
| 1:24.1 | believed in serving institutions, and he was just a few years older than we are, but he graduated Princeton at a time when it was very easy to get out of serving your country in Vietnam, and he made a point of wanting to do that. |
| 1:42.0 | And he ultimately became, ultimately became director of the FBI before James Comey. And it was, |
| 1:52.0 | people forget, there was actually Donald Trump who picked him to do what became the Mueller |
| 1:58.5 | report. I mean, it's hard to remember that Trump did that when you see |
| 2:03.4 | Trump's remarks on his death, which I thought were sort of repulsive but not surprising, saying, |
| 2:09.9 | I'm glad he's dead. I mean, it was sort of astonishing what he tweeted out there. But Mueller was |
| 2:16.3 | put in charge of the Mueller report to investigate allegations that Trump |
| 2:21.9 | had colluded with Russia, and he found out an awful lot of information that I think was woefully |
| 2:27.0 | misrepresented by then Attorney General William Barr. The mission that Mueller was given in the spring of 2017 followed the firing of James Comey, |
| 2:40.5 | the director of the FBI, and the questions raised about Russia, as you say correctly. |
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