S8 Ep642: 10. Nuclear Proliferation and Shifting Supply Chains. Guest: Bruce BechtOl. Bruce BechtOl explores North Korea’s role in developing Iranian nuclear capabilities and drones. He explains how Pyongyang uses maritime and rail routes through Russia to supply T
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🗓️ 26 March 2026
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10. Nuclear Proliferation and Shifting Supply Chains. Guest: Bruce BechtOl. Bruce BechtOl explores North Korea’s role in developing Iranian nuclear capabilities and drones. He explains how Pyongyang uses maritime and rail routes through Russia to supply Tehran, bypassing international sanctions and interdiction efforts.,,, (10)
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with my colleague Bruce Bactel. He is a professor at Angelo State University. Most importantly, |
| 0:21.8 | he's the author of Rogue Allies, the strategic partnership between Iran and North Korea. |
| 0:28.4 | It's recommended that you consult this book because it has elaborate explanations for what we now see in war fighting. |
| 0:37.4 | Iran has friends, and one of those friends |
| 0:40.5 | works for cash, and that's Pyongyang, North Korea. Cash talks in North Korea. Bruce, we've |
| 0:48.7 | talked about the Mu-Sudan missile and what it can carry. A nuclear warhead would be another choice for North Korea in the event of. |
| 1:00.1 | To your knowledge at this point, you've very carefully instructed me over 20 years that |
| 1:05.9 | North Korea had at the second test for their nuclear weapon and the third test, Iranian observers. |
| 1:13.7 | To your knowledge, does Iran possess a nuclear weapon given to it or sold to it by North Korea? |
| 1:20.8 | That's a very good question, John, and that's actually probably the question when you're asking about the proliferation. |
| 1:37.7 | Our government and most of the NATO governments have NUN has the capability to trace a weapon's origination if it's detonated, a nuclear weapon. So North Korea is unlikely to actually give or sell the Iranians a complete nuclear weapon. |
| 1:47.0 | That said, there is nothing to prevent them from providing technological expertise, |
| 1:53.6 | advice, and, of course, proliferation of need in materials, computer programs, etc., |
| 1:58.4 | that would aid Iran in building its nuclear weaponization program. |
| 2:03.6 | There are many anecdotal reports that point out that North Korea has done this. |
| 2:09.2 | Not a lot of them in the past 15 or 20 years, not a lot. |
| 2:13.3 | But one thing that we know for sure is that those highly enriched uranium centrifuge facilities at Natanz and Isfahan were built with the support of North Korean engineers. |
| 2:26.7 | So at the very least, they have done that. |
| 2:29.5 | What they have done is provided the Iranians with the platforms to carry those nuclear weapons, |
| 2:36.1 | and you referred to one of them frequently in our last segment. That's the Musudan missile. |
| 2:42.4 | Now, the primary warhead for the Musudan is a 500-kilogram warhead. They've been firing a |
| 2:48.7 | musadon in a shorter rank. They called it the Karamshar, |
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